The King's Guard

[edricdayne]

I have to say, that is a pretty odd set of Nicknames for the kingsguard.

[theother]

The Smith's sense of humour.
Hopefully I'm allowed to call him names as I'm on the staff :lol:

[Lord Rhodri Arryn]

Okay, when a family has a bastard name and is raised to nobility (via knighthood) and has kids, sometimes they will change their name to a modified version. There is a character in ASOIAF named Longwaters -- his line were descendants of a Waters bastard, but it was changed to Longwaters to indicate their children weren't bastards.

The Flowers family could do the same (with any modifier they so choose...that's not a formal thing).

[Horas]

Another note: I'm pretty sure Grandison's byname is "The Waking Lion", not the walking one.

[Lord Rhodri Arryn]

Yes, the "Waking Lion" is a play on the Grandison crest, which is a sleeping lion.

www.westeros.org/Citadel/Heraldry/Entry/House_Grandison/

[sethgreyjoy]

Bastards themselves were not nobility obviously, unless they somehow became gentry (i.e. knights), but their children didn't have last names, or supposing the name was "Manny Flowers" they would take the name "Mannyson", or something similar. Besides, we all know Gendry is Robert's son, but he doesn't bear one of the bastard names. This is because his parentage is a secret. Somewhat.

[Lord Rhodri Arryn]

Bastards only get the bastard name if they are the acknowledged child of a noble. Bastards of peasant stock or unknown origin do not get the bastard surname. Only nobles get surnames in general, aside from a few exceptions. In the case of the Longwaters, as a line of knights they got to keep a surname, but modified it to indicate subsequent generations weren't bastard.

[edricdayne]

Ah, okay. I get it know

[sercoletyrell]

bazzle said:

Bastards only get the bastard name if they are the acknowledged child of a noble. Bastards of peasant stock or unknown origin do not get the bastard surname. Only nobles get surnames in general, aside from a few exceptions. In the case of the Longwaters, as a line of knights they got to keep a surname, but modified it to indicate subsequent generations weren't bastard.

I don't know about that. The thing from the Citadel website that I quoted said that a child born from two married bastards would inherit the bastard name of their father.

[Lord Rhodri Arryn]

Sure -- but they could try and differentiate themselves. I think things can be fast and loose in Westeros sometimes.

[sercoletyrell]

Sorry, another case of miscommunication. I meant to quote Seth, since he said a bastard's child would not get a last name.

[Lord Rhodri Arryn]

Gotcha.

[edricdayne]

Whatever... I think a person could get away with changing their name, it's not like today, nobody would really notice or tell the difference unless they went digging up the persons past.

[edricdayne]

Is it just me, or are all of those people NPC's? Aren't there any people in the Kingsguard who are main characters? I mean... after the war, there were no main characters good enough to get in?

[sethgreyjoy]

One of them is Tall's second.