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Post by The Smith on May 29, 2009 7:48:34 GMT -5
I need a list of surviving Northern Lords and their approximate troop strengths.
So if you guys can work out a list that would be great. I want the North to be at around fifty percent of population, but I think more then half of the families would have survived.
Other then that no real feeling about which particular Northern lords survived.
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Post by Quenton Baratheon on May 29, 2009 7:56:49 GMT -5
Would I be right in thinking the Lords are the members of the population least likely to die? The cult didn't have much sway up north did they? If so I'd imagine very few have actually died.
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Post by The Smith on May 29, 2009 7:57:57 GMT -5
Lots of Lords would have died in Battles. The North has been fighting the Others longest.
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Post by Quenton Baratheon on May 29, 2009 7:59:24 GMT -5
So like, 10-20% of Lords killed do you think?
Here's the list of families who should actually be considered in charge of troops - I've removed small knightly families who don't really contribute.
Lordly Houses of The North
House Bolton of the Dreadfort
House Cerwyn of Cerwyn Castle
House Dustin of Barrowton
House Flint of Flint's Finger
House Flint of Widow's Watch
House Hornwood of Hornwood
House Ironsmith of Bear Island
House Karstark of Karhold
House Locke of Oldcastle
House Manderly of White Harbor
House Reed of Greywater Watch and Moat Cailin
House Ryswell of the Rills
House Stark of Winterfell
House Umber of Last Hearth
Major Knightly Houses
House Tallhart of Torrhen's Square
House Glover of Deepwood Motte
The Mountain Clans
House Burley
House Harclay
House Knott
House Liddle
House Norrey
House Wull
On Skagos
House Magnar of Kingshouse
House Stane of Deepdown
House Stane of Driftwood Hall
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Post by The Smith on May 29, 2009 8:13:24 GMT -5
Maybe as high as thirty.
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Post by Quenton Baratheon on May 29, 2009 8:19:59 GMT -5
So are you saying that around 30% of those families are wiped out completely or just lacking a Lord? Presumably there will still be female heirs and children in some of them.
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Post by Sam on May 29, 2009 9:48:15 GMT -5
I think that the further north a family's castle is, the greater likelihood that they were wiped out completely. For example I think the Umbers should just be gone, since they're the first castle that the Others would have attacked after crossing the Wall.
For houses that are just extinct, what do you say to Stark, Umber, and Norrey, and then we can say that like Glover, Liddle, Locke, and Ryswell, Manderly, and Hornwood have been left lordless?
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Post by Quenton Baratheon on May 29, 2009 9:54:58 GMT -5
I guess the thing with the mountain clans is it's kinda hard to wipe them all out because I'd imagine they're quite wide-spread families. I think we probably shouldn't bother saying that any of them have been wiped out, as they're not of that high a consequence and it might just create complications months down the line if someone starts reffering to one of their members. Would it not be easier just to say that 'the mountain clans have been decimated'?
I agree that Umber would be hard hit, and extinction is probably the way to go. Stark though? That's a big decision.
Lordly deaths for those others are fine as far as I can see.
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Post by Sam on May 29, 2009 9:59:56 GMT -5
Well Stark has been a small house to begin with, and it was never really made clear what happened to them after Gariss Stark was executed by Rodrick. I know that he put Kijo Sand in charge of Winterfell, and I feel like Garriss might have had some children, but do we even know if House Stark is still in charge?
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Post by Quenton Baratheon on May 29, 2009 10:02:31 GMT -5
Guess that one's for Smithy.
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Post by Sam on May 29, 2009 10:06:37 GMT -5
Assume that all houses are at 40% of their normal troop strength. How does this look smithy?
Lordly Houses of The North
House Bolton of the Dreadfort
House Cerwyn of Cerwyn Castle
House Dustin of Barrowton
House Flint of Flint's Finger
House Flint of Widow's Watch
House Hornwood of Hornwood - LACKING ANY MALE HEIR
House Ironsmith of Bear Island
House Karstark of Karhold
House Locke of Oldcastle
House Manderly of White Harbor - CHILD LORD
House Reed of Greywater Watch and Moat Cailin
House Ryswell of the Rills - CHILD LORD
House Stark of Winterfell - LACKING ANY MALE HEIR
House Umber of Last Hearth - EXTINCT
Major Knightly Houses
House Tallhart of Torrhen's Square
House Glover of Deepwood Motte - LACKING ANY MALE HEIR
The Mountain Clans
House Burley
House Harclay
House Knott - CHILD LORD
House Liddle - CHILD LORD
House Norrey - LACKING ANY MALE HEIR
House Wull
On Skagos
House Magnar of Kingshouse - CHILD LORD
House Stane of Deepdown
House Stane of Driftwood Hall
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Post by The Smith on May 29, 2009 20:14:35 GMT -5
Looks good.
Lets not killed the Starks. Just leave them with only children left. Karstark took reign after the first batch of Starks were massacred in the war.
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Post by Sam on May 29, 2009 20:20:44 GMT -5
I'll put it together
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Hope you all are well and happy.