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Post by melon on Oct 31, 2007 0:04:09 GMT -5
What did Callen do for Robert Hightower.
Yes but all that stuff your talking about happened before the Trial now Callen is not loved in the Reach.
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Post by The Flint on Oct 31, 2007 0:11:17 GMT -5
His Kingsguard also just marched 300 of his knights through the Reach without provocation and a took a lord by force. I think the message would be sent very clearly to the lords of the Reach, that if he can do that to one Lord, he can do it to any of them.
That Barret was allowed to judge mitigates it some what, but the Lord of Highgarden was insulted by the interference, and said as much in the trial. He then died under mysterious circumstances. (as players we all know it was suicide, but are the lords of the realm so sure?)
I do not think Callen well disposed towards the Reach, even if he does think he is acting in our best interest. He may have been in the past. Whatever influence his relationship with Barret had has died.
That said, we have a babe for a Lord, few allies and questionable justification. Rebellion would be mistake at this point.
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Post by Victarion on Oct 31, 2007 0:11:26 GMT -5
And yet, right after the trial, of which you were part of, (Remeber, Callen asked you to join it because he wanted another Barret supporter on it) Callen rewarded Longclaw to Barret and named him Hero of the North, to much applause I might add. Also, remember this, that both the trial, and even the trial by combat were conducted in secrecy to save Barret the embarrasment of a public trial, so even that is not well known.
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Post by Victarion on Oct 31, 2007 0:28:58 GMT -5
There's also another couple of points:
What warmongering has Callen done? None of the wars he was involved in were initiated by him.
You claim Callen is damaging the feudal system. And yet you have a standing army of fifteen thousand, yet in a real feudal system such an army would not exist.
Also, Anslem is not the king. He may have been Callen's PC, but that does not make him Callen.
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Post by Victarion on Oct 31, 2007 0:32:16 GMT -5
If there was such suspicion that Barret was assassinated it is more likely to be directed towards the Royces/Blackwoods. And actually, when Anslem was in the Reach, he was working in conjunction with other Reach lords. If you read the posts carefully, it says that were as many Reach lords with Anslem as there were king's men.
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Post by The Flint on Oct 31, 2007 1:01:24 GMT -5
He's the Kingsguard, a direct representative of the King. He flew Stag banners while arresting a Reach Lord for acts taken on the Lords own lands That some reach banners were with him is not relevant. Arresting one of his banner lords on the man's own lands is a clear insult to the Lord of the Reach, and a provocation.
When Barret said no wrong had been done, Callen responded (this was OOC, but I presume was meant to reflect the view of the KG NPC) by pointing to a law that the small folk had all rights, and could not be harmed, even in war, and that further they had the right to appoint representatives to the Lord's councils. Which is obviously madness and exactly counter to the feudal system.
I'm not saying its out of character for a King to do these things, it happened all the time in the real world. I am saying that it would be interpreted as an affront, which is how its been interpreted.
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Post by Victarion on Oct 31, 2007 1:11:41 GMT -5
I understand what your saying. All that I'm saying is that an affront is not enough to warrant a rebellion, or even a warning. I'm just serving House Tyrell. Of course, once I'm High Septon our house will have a representative with a position on par, or even more powerfull than Callen's.
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Post by sercoletyrell on Oct 31, 2007 1:48:45 GMT -5
Here is what I can tell you, from the talks and debates Callen and I have had. When Ser Anslem Flowers arrested Lord Varner it was to protect the repuation of Lord Barret, and to further increase the Reach lord's prestige. This may seem strange at first, but I finally made sense of his reasoning. By having Lord Barret judge him, it was giving him a chance to increase his prestige in the eyes of the Reach lords. It was Barret's responsibility to decide whether to apprehend and sentence Varner. It wouldn't have increased his prestige in the slightest and only undermined him. And anyway, I think the main reasoning for seperating (not rebelling) is that we have no reason to be part of the seven kingdoms, it does not serve the Reach in the slightest. For thousands of years, Westeros had been made up of many kingdoms, and they developed strong identities and internal unity. Then more recently they were combined by force, stuck together unnaturally by the strength of the dragons. But none of the people ever identified themselves as being part of a united Westerosi kingdom. They were still from the Reach, or from the Vale, and the goings on in other areas concerned them little. So frankly, once the dragons died out it was only a matter of time before the kingdoms broke apart, and it's a little unrealistic in our lore that it hasn't happened yet, in my opinion. |
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Post by sercoletyrell on Oct 31, 2007 2:07:14 GMT -5
Though now that Cole has maybe been offered a position in the KG, I'm all turned around about it. Long live King Callen!  |
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Post by melon on Oct 31, 2007 2:41:33 GMT -5
No offense Cole but I don't think you would get as your so young and not very experienced there are better people. Unless Callen has PM you about the position.
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Post by sercoletyrell on Oct 31, 2007 2:43:31 GMT -5
Cole is a better sword than Erik. |
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Post by melon on Oct 31, 2007 2:50:23 GMT -5
Thats because Erik hasn't been trained like He should be a lot better then he has but I haven't written scenario where he has.
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Post by The Flint on Oct 31, 2007 11:35:12 GMT -5
I agree that it doesn't warrant rebellion. But I think it does warrant a warning. We do want to safeguard our autonomy. I think we can do that subtly with the spreading of rumors and some minor saber rattling from minor reach lords, with the Great house playing the part of mediator. We're better off with Callen as King than whatever chaos would emerge from rebellion.
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Post by melon on Oct 31, 2007 13:42:04 GMT -5
Well we have to look at the idea explore it as Callen hasn't had the best ideas for the realm.
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Post by syd on Oct 31, 2007 14:32:53 GMT -5
The Lord of the Reach is now 3 years old! Yay!
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Hope you all are well and happy.