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Post by loremaster on Feb 20, 2008 20:58:34 GMT -5
I believe wealth is something that hasn't truly been exploited by the majority of the Seven Kingdoms. One could count the Lannisters, but standing on a goldmine is hardly the same as being a good businessman. Whenever Littlefinger does his job, even though he's somehow making money out of nowhere, none of the characters seem to really care or comphrehend the exact circumstances other than deciding how to spend it wisely. This is a feudal society, which is why I think if someone had a real dedication to making as much money as possible, few would be able to compete in terms of exponential wealth without a) already having it or b) robbing someone's treasury.
In short, I think its important to acknowledge that IC, few nobles truly comprehend or care about counting coppers and gaining new ones without the assistance of maesters.
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Post by wookie on Feb 21, 2008 4:36:29 GMT -5
One thing I would say in regards to yourself Walder is that I think Emmon is right. Bannerhouses per say would not be able to raise as much wealth as Lords Paramount - if for no other reason that a portion of their wealth is given to the Paramount! A tithe I believe it was called in medieval times.
Littlefinger is a poor example because he did not have much "personal wealth" but he was able to call upon the Royal Treasury, just as you are, as Master of Coin. So whilst he had access to vast sums of money and was therefore able to make more through trade, taxation etc - only a tiny portion of that was his personal wealth. In fact I believe he would probably have been classed as a paid retainer. Whatever he managed to squirrel away to his own coffers is a moot point. By doing so he effectively 'stole' from the King and if Robert had found out (or cared enough about it) he'd have been executed.
So I think 3 wealth (for a banner house!) is actually very considerable when you think that a Lord Paramount like Stark & Baratheon (who receive income from White Harbour & Tarth respectively) get only a little more.
Basically as long as you're Master of Coin, I'd argue that you have access to wealth on a par (or just below) that of the Lannisters. On your own however, it would be much, much less.
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Post by loremaster on Feb 21, 2008 15:11:48 GMT -5
One thing I would say in regards to yourself Walder is that I think Emmon is right. Bannerhouses per say would not be able to raise as much wealth as Lords Paramount - if for no other reason that a portion of their wealth is given to the Paramount! A tithe I believe it was called in medieval times. Littlefinger is a poor example because he did not have much "personal wealth" but he was able to call upon the Royal Treasury, just as you are, as Master of Coin. So whilst he had access to vast sums of money and was therefore able to make more through trade, taxation etc - only a tiny portion of that was his personal wealth. In fact I believe he would probably have been classed as a paid retainer. Whatever he managed to squirrel away to his own coffers is a moot point. By doing so he effectively 'stole' from the King and if Robert had found out (or cared enough about it) he'd have been executed. So I think 3 wealth (for a banner house!) is actually very considerable when you think that a Lord Paramount like Stark & Baratheon (who receive income from White Harbour & Tarth respectively) get only a little more. Basically as long as you're Master of Coin, I'd argue that you have access to wealth on a par (or just below) that of the Lannisters. On your own however, it would be much, much less. Actually, I am making reference to all those IC business exploits Goldfinger had BEFORE he became MoC. Being Master of Coin has absolute nothing to do with the wealth I'm referring to. He is a respectable and well-connected merchant in the game itself (Not just the bio), ask Mathis, Roose, Tristeza, and Smith. |
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Post by wookie on Feb 21, 2008 15:31:11 GMT -5
I still think having half the wealth of House Martell & House Royce without having all their overheads is pretty damn good  |
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Post by loremaster on Feb 21, 2008 15:36:05 GMT -5
Okay, if we're talking House Martell, then I already know I have the better position. Royce, though... eh...
Though to be honest, yeah... the whole taxation thing would be a major obstacle towards being counted among the great houses, even if we have the Crossing. If we were counting houses independantly(i.e. House Blackwood itself, minus the LP benefits), sure, I'd argue it into the ground that Frey could go toe-to-toe with any house you can name. But alas... damn feudalism.
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Post by House Dustin on Feb 22, 2008 0:05:22 GMT -5
I would point out the Vale is a rich place, and the Royces are the lords paramount there. Cast no dispersions on us, FREY!  |
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Post by wookie on Mar 12, 2008 17:59:35 GMT -5
So how's the economy thing going?
I know Roland's not been around much lately but was the table/process good to go or was it still needing some tweaks - hence the delay in implementing it?
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Post by Imry Willfyre on Mar 12, 2008 18:07:03 GMT -5
I think it was more or less good to go. Probably could use a little more tweaking but its basic premises looked good to (as far as I know) everyone who saw them.
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Post by House Dustin on Mar 17, 2008 16:59:02 GMT -5
Hey guys.. Just wanted to give the community a little update. I'm putting some of the final touches on the economic system now. Particularly consolidating all the regions on to one spreadsheet that I can update all at once per die rolls. (Hehe, it's all terribly exciting)
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Post by edricdayne on Mar 17, 2008 17:01:48 GMT -5
Lucky Roland, get to tweak the system while we're stuck role playing  |
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Post by barker520 on Mar 17, 2008 18:38:29 GMT -5
Haha, Hendry.
But I really appreciate it Roland, the economy will add another touch of Westeros to this game! Thanks.
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Post by Imry Willfyre on Mar 17, 2008 20:39:48 GMT -5
Thanks for all the hard work, Roland! I'm terribly excited to see this in action  |
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Post by barker520 on Apr 3, 2008 17:38:41 GMT -5
Do we have any updates on the economy? I'm not trying to nag, I'm just really looking forward to its release.
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Post by wookie on Apr 21, 2008 9:37:27 GMT -5
Do we have any updates on the economy? I'm not trying to nag, I'm just really looking forward to its release. ^ | What he said |
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Post by House Dustin on Apr 21, 2008 10:14:39 GMT -5
I'm sorta ready to roll out. Have the "houses" done with probably a few details like dead houses that I have wrong. I need to test a little more on income vs. cost. Also will need to flesh out what we can spend money on as I have some ideas out there, but not everything I could. Will try to talk to admins tonight about it.
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