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Post by theother on Nov 8, 2007 7:45:23 GMT -5
And yes, Pyke was the bad news I hinted at to some of you
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Post by shacklock on Nov 8, 2007 8:02:02 GMT -5
And yes, Pyke was the bad news I hinted at to some of you Yea that sucks, is it just Pyke they've stormed or the whole of the Iron-Islands. 'cos if it's just Pyke, surely the other islands would be attacking their fleet as well? Edit: Although yea of course the whole Iron-Fleetis at the Sheilds
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Post by theother on Nov 8, 2007 8:14:00 GMT -5
It's just Pyke and yes, the reason the other islands haven't retaliated is because they all came with us!
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Post by shacklock on Nov 8, 2007 8:20:54 GMT -5
It's just Pyke and yes, the reason the other islands haven't retaliated is because they all came with us! Yea in retrospec...that wasent such a brilliant plan xD
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Post by Fel on Nov 8, 2007 8:43:36 GMT -5
I'm surprised the crown has seperated themselves from the actions of the Ironborn, it seems very politcally unsound. I hope Erik doesn't mind that I'm having Dandaro go and speak with Piers.
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Post by theother on Nov 8, 2007 8:59:50 GMT -5
Well they haven't "seperated themselves" as such. They never asked the ironborn to get involved. Mainly because they never felt they needed their help.
This is a bit of a "power grab" by Harlaw, to try and claim the Shield Islands by fait accompli while the Reach is too weak/despised to protest much and claim them back. You could argue that even Hewett's force is a fairly desperate last throw of the dice.
Basically we could do with the King/Regent/Small Council granting us the Shield Islands as part of the peace settlement. But if that is unlikely and we're told to leave, then Harlaw will probably do so - after taking everything of value of course
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Post by Fel on Nov 8, 2007 9:12:35 GMT -5
Didn't they ask all lords loyal to the crown to join their cause or be considered traitors? Admittedly, we all know this is just a power grab, but the face of it is us helping them against a rebellion, and then being told to shoo once it's done. Which I think would piss of lots of Ironborn.
Plus Hewett is the one who lead the attack on Pyke, and he's still wanted by the crown, so we're helping them by continuing this war.
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Post by shacklock on Nov 8, 2007 9:14:44 GMT -5
Didn't they ask all lords loyal to the crown to join their cause or be considered traitors? Admittedly, we all know this is just a power grab, but the face of it is us helping them against a rebellion, and then being told to shoo once it's done. Which I think would piss of lots of Ironborn. Plus Hewett is the one who lead the attack on Pyke, and he's still wanted by the crown, so we're helping them by continuing this war. Good point. Soo once secure Pyke we have fair grounds to further attack the Reach
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Post by theother on Nov 8, 2007 9:20:30 GMT -5
Yes, I agree to a point. Certainly Hewett is on their list and no-one will be too upset if he dies because of his actions against Crakehall - certainly we could solict Lannister support on that. Speaking of which, you could try and foster relations there. Ironborn have always gone it along but most other houses have some allies somewhere so that might be a place to start because House Lannister has no other allies and has the Riverlands/Vale block to their east and the Reach to their South. They could do with a friend nearly as much as we do - plus we can use our 'joint' grievance against Hewett to open the door.
Just a suggestion anyway so that some other men besides our own die retaking Pyke.
Oh and as for helping put down a rebellion and then being told to shoo - we have previous. That's what happened when Balor helped put Callen back on the throne. The rest of westeros hate, fear & distrust the ironborn so no-one's going to plead our case unless we make it worth their while to do so.
I think continuing to attack the Reach after Pyke would be counter-productive though. They have signed a formal peace treaty after all and been subdivided so we don't have the "rebellion-crushing" card to play anymore
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Post by shacklock on Nov 8, 2007 9:25:46 GMT -5
Yes, I agree to a point. Certainly Hewett is on their list and no-one will be too upset if he dies because of his actions against Crakehall - certainly we could solict Lannister support on that. Speaking of which, you could try and foster relations there. Ironborn have always gone it along but most other houses have some allies somewhere so that might be a place to start because House Lannister has no other allies and has the Riverlands/Vale block to their east and the Reach to their South. They could do with a friend nearly as much as we do - plus we can use our 'joint' grievance against Hewett to open the door. Just a suggestion anyway so that some other men besides our own die retaking Pyke. Oh and as for helping put down a rebellion and then being told to shoo - we have previous. That's what happened when Balor helped put Callen back on the throne. The rest of westeros hate, fear & distrust the ironborn so no-one's going to plead our case unless we make it worth their while to do so. I think continuing to attack the Reach after Pyke would be counter-productive though. They have signed a formal peace treaty after all and been subdivided so we don't have the "rebellion-crushing" card to play anymore True although taking, or at least sacking Crakehall might be in order? Although that might be slightly Metagaming. Edit: Anyway I'm a little bored and Sargon would like an Audiance with Lord Harlaw Ambitious youth and all that y'know. By the way, how many Iron-born PCs are there?
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Post by theother on Nov 8, 2007 9:28:39 GMT -5
Fair enough, I'll head on over there. Speaking of which, tomorrow is my last day as The Other & hence as Lord Harlaw. Good hunting & good luck to the Harlaw's & Greyjoys in the future. Reave well, and prosper
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Post by Fel on Nov 8, 2007 9:35:40 GMT -5
That sucks, I hope you do come back eventually.
Ok, once Felryn leaves I'll have Dickon taken care of. Felryn being put in charge of the force retaking Pyke will give a legitimate grievance to Harral... which is good.
I sent an IC letter to Randal to try and get help taking back Pyke.
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Post by theother on Nov 8, 2007 10:00:19 GMT -5
Oh, and as far as Ironborn PCs go. I think Felryn, Sargon & Erik are the only true ironborn PCs left. Having said that, 3 active players are pretty good considering the Royces only have that and the Blackwoods only have 2 and Emelia is by herself in Dorne. Seth is more of a greenlander these days, Mortimer - well, Mortimer hasn't really proven himself to be much of anything. I think Seth's forgotten about him for now Tytos Rivers has created an ironborn second but hasn't got access to this forum. I'll you you guys decide if you think he should
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Post by theother on Nov 8, 2007 10:30:16 GMT -5
Oh, and Felryn I'm going to let you lead the fleet/decide on numbers to assault Pyke on your own best judgement.
We have (as I reckon it) 110 or so ships left and 9,000 men to crew them.
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Post by sethgreyjoy on Nov 8, 2007 10:40:42 GMT -5
* Seth waves his hanky from the shore* Oh, you!
No body knows what Mortimer is up to. But he's not forgotten, to be sure.
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