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Erik Most Devout is Erik. But you could probably figure that one out. Posts: 4,841	Dragons Dec 11, 2013 15:27:44 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Erik on Dec 11, 2013 15:27:44 GMT -5 Pretty sure there's no evidence that Westeros dragons are sentient.
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Urron Greyjoy Begging Brother Posts: 174	Dragons Dec 11, 2013 18:43:17 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Urron Greyjoy on Dec 11, 2013 18:43:17 GMT -5 They're certainly sentient, by the barest definition of it. Capable of higher thinking, though, isn't entirely proven. I'd completely welcome it being worked in, though. Could enable much closer bonds with the dragons.
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Dragons Dec 11, 2013 18:48:27 GMT -5

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Post by Marie on Dec 11, 2013 18:48:27 GMT -5

It's the dragon's choice whether or not to accept a rider. To me that suggests some kind of sentience and it's clear they have strong bonds with their rider. After all, there's that scene in ADWD where Dany seems to share a moment with Drogon in the fighting pits, though it's certainly not the same as skinchanging. They aren't just rampaging at random.

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Dragons Dec 11, 2013 18:48:59 GMT -5

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Post by Lord Oswyn Baratheon on Dec 11, 2013 18:48:59 GMT -5

Well something interesting in the prequel book is that they say time and time again that they don't know. It repeats time and time again that certain actions could be explained as simple animal instinct or as signs of intelligence.

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Urron Greyjoy Begging Brother Posts: 174	Dragons Dec 11, 2013 19:09:15 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Urron Greyjoy on Dec 11, 2013 19:09:15 GMT -5 I just like the thought of certain strong pairings maybe being able to speak with the dragons. The dialogue would be cool.
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Lord Oswyn Baratheon Most Devout Zack Posts: 1,632	Dragons Dec 11, 2013 19:17:53 GMT -5 Sam likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Lord Oswyn Baratheon on Dec 11, 2013 19:17:53 GMT -5 Veto
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Dragons Dec 11, 2013 19:32:50 GMT -5

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Post by Marie on Dec 11, 2013 19:32:50 GMT -5

Cats have minds of their own and are able to understand some parts of human speech (and wilfully ignore it when they wish). So I think dragons would too.

Speaking to dragons is an interesting and fun idea but not quite in the vein of GRRM's dragons so I agree that it's not right for the game.

Urron Greyjoy Begging Brother Posts: 174	Dragons Dec 11, 2013 19:40:34 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Urron Greyjoy on Dec 11, 2013 19:40:34 GMT -5 Agreed, just stating that it'd be a fun aspect for a game, just not this one.
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Dragons Dec 11, 2013 19:41:57 GMT -5

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Post by Marie on Dec 11, 2013 19:41:57 GMT -5

I do like the talking dragon in Skyrim

Also, if you like that idea, read the Temeraire novels. I'd have loved to run a game in that setting but I don't think anyone on the site has read them. Those dragons certainly talk and have thoughts and feelings of their own.

Erik Most Devout is Erik. But you could probably figure that one out. Posts: 4,841	Dragons Dec 11, 2013 19:47:59 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Erik on Dec 11, 2013 19:47:59 GMT -5 A horse can choose not to accept a rider. That doesn't make a horse sentient.
	We come from the land of the ice and snow, From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow. How soft your fields so green, can whisper tales of gore, Of how we calmed the tides of war. We are your overlords.

Urron Greyjoy Begging Brother Posts: 174	Dragons Dec 11, 2013 19:49:23 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Urron Greyjoy on Dec 11, 2013 19:49:23 GMT -5 Horses are sentient. What definition of sentience are you going by..? You might be thinking of Sapience
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Lord Oswyn Baratheon Most Devout Zack Posts: 1,632	Dragons Dec 11, 2013 19:49:27 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Lord Oswyn Baratheon on Dec 11, 2013 19:49:27 GMT -5 The books leave some grey area, but for the purpose of the game I think it's best to view them as barely-tamed beasts.
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Erik Most Devout is Erik. But you could probably figure that one out. Posts: 4,841	Dragons Dec 11, 2013 19:56:10 GMT -5 Sam likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Erik on Dec 11, 2013 19:56:10 GMT -5 Oh. Apparently I've been going by the 18th-century definition of sentience for years. So yeah, if you go by the (virtually meaningless) modern definition of sentience, sure, Westeros dragons are sentient.
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Dragons Dec 11, 2013 19:58:41 GMT -5

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Dec 11, 2013 19:47:59 GMT -5 Erik said:

A horse can choose not to accept a rider. That doesn't make a horse sentient.

But horses are bred for riding. Dragons aren't. With dragons there is a much greater risk it will refuse.

I personally believe most animals are more than dumb beasts so I'm inclined to apply the same to dragons but since we can't speak their "language" we will never know.

Lord Oswyn Baratheon Most Devout Zack Posts: 1,632	Dragons Dec 11, 2013 20:07:54 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Lord Oswyn Baratheon on Dec 11, 2013 20:07:54 GMT -5 I was going by the 18th century definition as well. Old fashioned I suppose.
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